OS X is the new Linux
I made this comment at the office today and I was greeted with agreement, disagreement and blank stares...
My thoughts are that more and more often OS X is becoming the so-called "cure to Windows"... A colleague put it best.. he said "A few years back if someone was talking about a Windows problem, the response was, "This link will fix all your Windows problems" and the link was to some Linux distribution... Now-a-days... you have the same question, however the link is to apple.ca or an OS X page... The zealots that once swarmed and promoted Linux as a viable alternative to Windows... as the solution to all problems... are now being over shadowed by OS X fanboys who are doing the same thing... The number of blogs dedicated to Microsoft bashing, that are entirely pro OS X (OS X can't do anything wrong), is astounding.. OS X has become a religion.... and these fanboys are blindly accepting it as their faith without having a clue... One of the more predominant of sites is DaringFireball.net, however I'm not going to touch it today... everyone has had enough of a laugh at Mr. Gruber's expense.
One site I came across this evening (as I was debating if I would blog on this subject) was tech.blorge.com and it's the primary reason that I decided to do this write-up... The crap that they spew is unbelievable. A great example of this is the "Microsoft slugs Mac users with Vista Tax" post. They go on and on about the fact that you can't install the "lower" editions of Vista in Virtual Machines... and you can't... Do I see an issue with this?? Nope... but Paralells... (a third party vendor of Virtualization Software for OS X) is going on and on about it. That is to be expected... it's their livelihood, the problem is that the "cult of mac" is accepting everything they say at face value... No one seems to realize that this doesn't only affect Mac users.. it also affects anyone wishing to run Vista under VMWare or Virtual PC (The Home versions anyways)... but home is the keyword here.. Virtualization isn't a "home" technology... It's a business / research technology.... and in the business world, it's generally limited to servers for the most part... So why should Microsoft license a home technology (Vista Home) to be used on non-home technology (Virtualization)... You can argue that there are enthusiasts that will do it... but many of them will ignore the EULA anyways...
Mac users (and all the people on the Paralells blog who stae they'll be switching to OS X because Microsoft has gone over the line) seem to have forgotten the wording in the OS X EULA.
A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time. This
License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may not make the Apple Software
available over a network where it could be used by multiple computers at the same time. If you use Setup Assistant to transfer
software from one Apple-labeled computer to another Apple-labeled computer, please remember that continued use of the original
copy of the software may be prohibited once a copy has been transferred to another computer, unless you already have a licensed
copy of such software on both computers. You should check the relevant software license agreements for applicable terms and
conditions. You may make one copy of the Apple Software (excluding the Boot ROM code) in machine-readable form for backup
purposes only; provided that the backup copy must include all copyright or other proprietary notices contained on the original.
That says I can't install OS X on my PC, so why should we expect Microsoft to allow the opposite... In this case, I'd say that Apple hit first and that Microsoft is only responding in kind... so perhaps OS X users should blame their precious Apple (Yes... as usual, I'm typing this on OS X, so I can say what I want about the OS). For a decent explanation of the Vista licensing, check out this page.
Now these guys at blorge didn't stop with this... They are dedicated to Microsoft bashing... attacking the concept of OpenID and CardSpace... Going to the ultimate level of immaturity by making use of the infamous Bill Gates mug shot... I love their theory in this one as well... Smart Cards and Certificates can be beaten so it's better to just keep using passwords about sums up their (incorrect) theory...
Another good one was, "While I do enjoy Microsoft bashing (like any hack does)" which was taken from the only post where they defend Vista (and only because it's about the only thing on the internet than the drivel they are spouting..). First off... "like any hack does"... If that doesn't shout juvenile Linux user from 3-5 years ago, I don't know what does... the entire sentence does... It's disgusting and I feel insulted (as a partial OS X user) that they are this immature. I could go on and on... I could also point out other sites (such as Macalope and Artie MacStrawman’s Apple Orchard) but I’ll let you find the problems with them on your own… I’ll just leave you with this last bit of ignorance from the Artie MacStrawman blog, “I love Apple, Mac OS X is invulnerable and I’d jump off a cliff if Steve asked me to.” and “The Mac is utterly impregnable to attack. I’ll never switch to Windows or Ubuntu or something.” That sums up the thinking of most OS X users… a flawed sort of logic that really makes me believe that OS X is the new Linux… at least when it comes to cocky, arrogant, know-it-all users…. DaringFireball.net)
[Update] Page updated based on an error on my part... apparently OS X users can't let you live down a mistake... Now perhaps people will be willing to discuss the actual content instead of a silly mistake.... Unless they have no comment on the content.
[Update 2] I've added the text back in since it's apparently uncouth to remove it, and set it to strikethrough
Funny.. I was a long time windows user and had my own repair business and yes went the Linux route but got so frustrated.. I found OSX and went hey this looks abit like what Linux should and there is no hassle..
I understand the people being upset that there are quite a few versions of Vista and it is only the expensive one u can use and lets face it compare the price of any version of Vista to a copy of OSX and youll see Vista is outrageously priced in comparison.. and of course compared to the price of Linux!! So I think that is why alot of people are upset about..They feel that if they want to try Vista they have to buy the expensive version for no other reason than it is a virtual machine. Now there is one version of OSX and apart from that their is a real cheap family pack of 5 licenses. This is the issue and you seem to have missed that point.
1 final point that as a person that knows a lot of OSX and Windows users is this OSX user bashing that goes on.. what I mean is as an OSX user I am labeled as being a bunch of religious nutters and zealots amoungst other “key” terms plus a few others… Thats just a prejudiced statment. It’s usually works out that the ones that make the noise that gets the rest of us labeled. We are not all like that infact it is the minority of users who are like this.
It is basically quite racist in a way but based on OS.
For example fill in the gaps..all Windows users are ….or all OSX or all Linux users are …..and then follow it with a derogitory statemet.
It is a pity that this sort of stuff goes on from a few people and they are from all OS’s There are bigots and nasty people on all sides of the fence.
I Like OSX .. I prefer it to Windows .. even Vista but I can appreciate what other OS’s can do and how they suite different people and all my OSX friends feel the same as me.. Please people dont get sucked into these slanging matched.. we all have something to contribute in our own unique ways.
Thanks
Yeah, yeah. You’re just as big a zealot as the people you bash in your turn.
You know, that’s funny, because I was thinking of writing an article that was essentially, “Vista is the new OS X” -
Espousing flat-out security marketing nonsense about the other OS, “true believers” with weblogs touting the new OS as what will crush the competition (for every Gruber there are at least 2 (Rob Enderle’s out there), zealous users overpaying for essentially the same OS they had a year ago, but now with more UI Gloss and DRM yuckiness….
There are a lot of similarities!
2 things:
1) the probable reason osx fanboys are overshadowing linux fanboys is the barrier to entry for being a fanboy in those respective camps – it’s hard to for a computer illiterate to become a linux fanboy…
2) whether or not microsoft actually ascribe to the idea, i think the notion that virtualization isn’t a ‘home’ technology is misguided… virtualization products are generally not all that difficult to use, drive space is cheap, and virtualization can hold some real benefits for normal users (ie. test/goat/quarantine machines without the costs of additional physical computers)…
Uncritical praise, defense, evangelism of anything is bad, Windows, OS X, Linux, doesn’t mater. It is ok to evaluate a technology (i.e. OS X), determine where it could solve problems (i.e. a lot more places than currently deployed) and tell people about it. You had me through most of the post, but you lose a lot of credibility by making the same broad generalization “That sums of [I think you meant up here] fo most OS X user” after slamming someone (rightly) for making a similar broad generalization in “The Mac is utterly impregnable to attack…”
Pot calling the kettle black, no?
You had your 0.15 minutes of fame – thanks to Apple.
You make some good points, but you completely miss why people are whining about not being able to run “home” editions of Vista under Parallels Desktop for Mac. They want to run the cheapest version because they only plan on using it for a few apps; they don’t need all the extras of the “business” versions, such as file sharing and printer sharing.
The true question isn’t “What does the EULA allow” – after all, there’s no way to enforce it – but “Is it possible to make Vista Home run virtualized or to get OS X for Intel running on a Windows PC?”
Let me distill a couple of your arguments without the rhetoric.
1) The only people who need virtualization technology are business users.
2) There are people who need virtualization technology who are not
business users.
3) blah, blah, blah …I could go on but the contradiction is apparent.
and another one.
1) Apples EULA allows a single user to have and use a single copy of OS X per (basic) licence.
2) Non-business people are not be allowed to run Vista on their Macs using the 3rd party programme “Parallels” even if their Mac has their sole copy of Vista and they have the basic Vista single user licence.
3) 1) and 2) are somehow related.
You are not making much sense.
Cheers – Terry O’Leary
Wow…. I brought out a good deal of response… Let’s see if I can address everyone..
Shane, Vista might be more expensive than OS X but you’re forgetting that Apple is also the retailer for the machines… they don’t need to charge as much… They make the money back in the purchase cost of the highly priced computer. As for the minority of Mac users being the zealots (or fanboys)… I don’t see that… I see a great deal of these zealots on the internet… I’ve seen them in offices where I’ve worked in the past… I’ve seldom met a humble Mac user…
Artie, I didn’t really bash anyone here… I attacked a blog that’s full of drivel and I called Mac users cocky, arrogant and know-it-all… Those are both fact… Maybe not all Mac users.. but a decent chunk of them (the ones with a voice) are..
Nigel, I’d be interested in seeing you write that… I don’t think you could blog about security nonsense in Vista… it actually has security measures built in (unlike OS X)… Microsoft has taken security seriously… You also can’t call it the same OS as a year ago… and over paying is all a matter of opinion… I see paying $100 for a video game as over paying… most people would disagree…
kurt, point 1 is fairly accurate… I’d have to agree that that is a good part of the reason… As for point 2… I would say that the only home users using Virtualization are enthusiasts… hobbyists who play… the average home computer doesn’t touch virtualization..
InnertException: I’m glad you agreed with most of it.. However I don’t think my summation of the majority of Mac users falling into a category is the same as the comment that “The Mac is utterly impregnable to attack..”… Think about the average person who owns a Mac.. ask them why they bought a Mac… their response will be a) “It’s better than a PC” or b) “I can’t get viruses”… those both show arrogance.. perhaps I should have clarified that cocky, arrogant and know-it-all don’t all apply to every Mac user…
Apparently two more came in while I was typing my response…. Do you guys have a phone tree for whenever OS X is mentioned???
Dan, I don’t think that is the question… In both cases the answer is yes… but in both cases the company isn’t allowing it (in their EULA) and that’s what people are whining about with Vista right now.. “Microsoft slugs Mac Users with Vista Tax”… that’s an attack on the EULA… nothing else… As I said.. Apple did it first… so why shouldn’t Microsoft respond..
Terry, I debating answer you… but I might as well… Who are the non business users that “NEED” to do it??? Enthusiasts that want to play with it? Researchers who want to test malware or break the OS? As I said the first group will probably ignore the EULA… the second group they’re probably working with a business… If not they’re a small minority… Lastly we have OS X users who can’t do everything they want under OS X, so they need Windows along side… If OS X doesn’t do everything for you… why run it in the first place?? The “cool factor”?
Your second point makes no sense at all… (yet you question the sense I’m making)… The OS X license allows the use of OS X, only on Apple branded software.. making it a license violation to run it on my PC in say VMWare… The Vista license prohibits the user of Vista in a virtualized environment… making it a license violation to run it on my Mac under Paralells…. So Mac users are crying about the same thing that Apple did to PC users… Yet they don’t grasp that… and apparently, neither do you.
“That sums of the thinking of most OS X users”
Bullshit!
the mac, especially in the pre-os x days has always had a very strong reputation as the ‘better, more user friendly, it just works’ computer. you have to keep in mind the origins and the development of the mac os (pre-os x) versus that of microsoft windows.
the mac os was a result of many talented, creative ‘electronic artists’, and it showed, even to this day. the mac’s talented, artistic, and creative ‘DNA’ still can be seen in os x.
the windows os was developed in haste on top of DOS as a hasty microsoft response to compete with the mac os. and it showed, even to this day. its hasty,non-intuitive, and cobbled-together use interface still can be seen in windows vista.
think of major os releases as offspring of the previous generation. no matter what you do, you can still see the’DNA’ that originated so long ago.
How old are you? ..no really
Victor,
The intuitiveness of either display is all in user perspective… My fiance, who is not computer illiterate but beyond checking her email, surfing the net, chatting with friends and using Office doesn’t touch do much, hates OS X.. She gets on here and hates that she has to open folders to launch applications that aren’t in the dock… She hates that she can’t see a list of open windows in a taskbar… she finds it very uninviting…
Looking at OS X compared to every major OS out there.. I find it antiquated… At this point, it’s as though too much of the past as been left in it…
i am 47
First, stop using the epithets “fanboys”, “zealots” etc. If you want use these for Mac users and Linux users/supporters then you must use “zombies”, “lemmings” etc. for Windows users/supporters.
Second, Apple is neither Microsoft (software) or Dell (hardware). Apple is more like Sun, since it provides a complete computer (hardware & software). The user experience on all Macintosh Computers capable of running OS X (all PowerPC G4s & G5s and Intel Processor based machines) provide identical user experience. Even the much admired/maligned G4 Cube (released in July 2000) runs Mac OSX 10.4.8. with comfortable speed for normal user applications (mail, word processing, internet access, playing music, showing videos etc.). Further, with revision of Mac OS X, these old machines become snappier and snappier. Can you say the same thing about Microsoft Windows running on hardware made by Dell, HP, IBM and others?
Third, the user interaction philosophies behind Apple Macintosh Computers (OS 9 and OS X) and Microsoft Windows-based Personal Computers are quite different. While OS 9 & OS X are document-centric, Windows is application-centric and wastes screen real estate. This minor difference in philosophies, gives a big boost to the everyday Macintosh user productivity.
Four, the Macintosh OS user interface was designed from day one as to be graphics-oriented. Windows OS user interface was built on top of the text-oriented DOS user interface. This difference results in less eye-fatigue when one uses the Macintosh as compared to Windows-based computer.
How do I know all of the above and more, to prefer a Macintosh over a Windows-based computer for my personal use? I have been using both of them daily for more than 15 years. Windows-based computers at work and Macintosh computers at home.
You can not compare a Macintosh Computer with a Windows-based Computer. The former is a horse, while the latter is an ass.
“Think about the average person who owns a Mac.. ask them why they bought a Mac… their response will be a) “It’s better than a PC” or b) “I can’t get viruses”… those both show arrogance”
Most Mac users have to use a Windows at work, unlike most Windows user, and so they have a basis for comparison that the average Windows users does not have.
“As for point 2… I would say that the only home users using Virtualization are enthusiasts… hobbyists who play… the average home computer doesn’t touch virtualization”
Probably the best reason for a home user to need virtualization is to overcome Microsoft’s efforts to hijack the Web. There are still many non-standards complaint website that use Internet Explorer specifice coding/mark-up that don’t work properly on other browsers. On those occasions where a home user might need to access such a site it would be nice to be able to fire up Internet Explorer. I wouldn’t want to pay the full expense of the versions of Vista authorized for virtualization use just for that.
“I called Mac users cocky, arrogant and know-it-all… Those are both fact… Maybe not all Mac users.. but a decent chunk of them (the ones with a voice) are..”
So any Mac user that dares to express an opinion, one with a voice, is by your definition “cocky, arrogant, and know-it-all”. Thanks for being open minded.
Vishwakarma,
Point 1: There’s a difference between a supporter and a zealot/fanboy… I’m a Windows supporter… I’m also a Linux supporter… In some aspects, I’m even an OS X supporter… I’m not, however a zealot or a fanboy… I don’t propose that a single operating system is the solution to everything “Just because”
Point 2: I have to disagree here… I’ve got a Mac Mini (PPC 1.42 Ghz, 512MB of RAM)… it can barely handle OS X… If I open Firefox, iChat and a Terminal then it grinds to a halt… I can’t even think about opening an additional app…. Spotlight takes 10-15 minutes to search for anything… It runs extremely slow… Compares to my 1.8Ghz PC with 768MB of RAM which flies along with XP and GoogleTalk, MSN, AIM, FireFox, VMWare and generally some sort of music player.
Point 3: I’m confused on how Windows wastes screen real estate compared to OS X… Both have a bar on the bottom and a bar on the top… Both allow desktop icons… Where’s the wasted space.
Point 4: I don’t find Windows causing eye fatigue.. not anymore than OS X does..
Finally… your last comment… much worse than anything I said in my initial post… yet people are attacking me for being unfair and not knowing anything… Your last paragraph is a great example of the arrogance that accompanies Mac users.
Shane,
I disagree.. There are several people in my office that have both OS X and Windows.. running OS X at home and Windows at work… In your standard Office environment this may be true… However those people that have OS X at home and Windows at work don’t get a true comparison… They are generally in locked down, secured AD environments while at work… So they see their limitations (based on permissions) as limitations based on the OS.
You can’t blame Microsoft for adding additional functionality to their browsers… The other browsers could support it… I use Firefox and I’m able to use it for any site I go to… Without problem… Blame the developers of the sites that do it… I’ve seen sites that when accessed in IE display the message “You’re using IE, you aren’t allowed to view this site” so the pendulum swings both ways. Also with support for XP going until 2014… If you only want Windows for small things like IE and so forth, there’s no reason why you couldn’t continue to use XP in your virtual machine…
Not anyone who expresses a voice… just those (such as the four sites that I linked to in my initial post) that scream out when they have no technical background, yet because they are Mac users want to be experts on the subject… You’ll find that Windows users are generally quite willing to point out the flaws in their operating system… OS X users are the same..
As a side note… someone recently pointed out that you can still install Vista via bootcamp should you desire to have it on your Mac.
There are zealots on both sides everywhere you go. I just do like Ross Perot’s v.p. candidate did during the vice-presidential debates several years ago, I just turn off my hearing aid and enjoy the show.
I want the five minutes of my life back that it took me to read this web page.
The reason for the anger over the vista EULA is simple.
Mac users who need windows usually only need the basic stripped down windows to run 1 or 2 applications. They do not need or want the full-blown windows experience. This is why parallels is so popular, you can drop into windows and back out again without having to reboot and leave OS X.
With this in mind, can you see why they could be a little angry that an arbitrary decision was made to force them to buy the $399 version?
Their only alternative is to buy the $199 version and reboot every time to use windows.
The EULA decision is arbitrary, annoying, and costly.
You are aware that the whole “Artie Macstrawman” thing is satire and Artie is exactly the sort of pretend-Mac user that Windows users make up whenever they want to bash “fanboys.” Which site exactly says “OS X can’t do anything wrong?” Certainly Daring Fireball says nothing of the sort, as he’s taken Apple to task on the OS X Finder and many other things.
Mac users, in fact, love our Macs and we are frequently frustrated with Apple on plenty of topics. But the fact we don’t hate Apple and tolerate OS X the way so many Windows users hate MS and tolerate Windows seems to mystify PC users to the point that their only retort is we think “OS X can do no wrong,” which is untrue. Only Artie Macstrawman thinks that, and if you don’t know what a straw man is…well, look it up.
You do realise that Artie MacStrawman is a parody of a die hard Mac Zealot. And not only that, it’s a parody written by Mac users. We know that there are zealots amongst us, but there are equally as many Windows zealots: “You use a Mac? Ha. Enjoying the fact that you have no software or choice at all besides what Stevie spoon feeds you?”. Windows users can be just as bad as Mac users, but as with all extremists, they make up a small, yet disproportionately vocal, section of the group as a whole. For example, ask any reasonable Mac user if OS X is invincible or perfect and they’ll say no
Having been in this industry over 20 years I am constantly amazed at the arrogance and bigotry of the Windows community towards anything other than what is blessed by Redmond. But then again I remember the IBM bias of the 80′s so this is nothing new.
WOW. Artie MacStrawman, huh?
what a dolt you are! – Get a grip, man, and read this:
http://www.crazyapplerumors.com/?p=664
money quote:
Mac users will remember MacStrawman as the Mac user who:
Says the Mac is utterly invulnerable to any and all malicious attack.
Mindlessly worships Steve Jobs.
Blindly buys anything Apple releases no matter how dumb and stupid and dumb it is.
Refuses to accept that Windows might be better at anything. Even being Windows.
Emails death threats to anyone who disagrees with him.
I enjoy using Mac OS X but I hate this “war” being raged between Mac and PC. I have my reasons for liking OS X and many have their reasons for liking Vista. No problem with me.
I also like peanut butter and some people prefer Nutella. Should I be telling them they are crazy for liking it? Is Nutella copying peanut butter or the other way around? Should I worship the ground of the person who makes peanut butter because he wears a cool turtle neck and jeans while announcing the latest upgrade to my favorite spread?
I guess there goes my “mac” card. I am forever excommunicated. Other Mac users are now forbidden to talk to me. Oh, well – at least my PowerBook still loves me. Long live the PPC Mac.
You do realize that Artie MacStrawman is a fictional caricature of how Mac supporters are pigeonholed by ignorant critics who see them as lemming-like followers of everything that Apple/Steve Jobs does, right?
You might want to start gnawing at your ankle to get yourself out of this one.
http://www.macalope.com/?p=171
Um….Artie MacStrawman is a fake person created to with sarcasm toward the typical “Mac fanboy.” That blog is parody, sarcasm, satire. Next time, find an serious blog to quote.
You know, sometimes one is almost forced into being some kind of over-zealous user, having chosen a Mac. When you cannot say anything positive about the Mac without being bashed, ridiculed, called zealots, cult folllowers and what not, when the humblest suggestion that someone could perhaps benefit from trying out a Mac, can result in frenetic attacks which too easily goes directly on one’s personality, then it is not easy throwing oneself into the nearest ditch, throwing mental grenades back.
Seems to me that you’re one of these people who is brimming with some sort of hatred I simply can’t understand. Is it something personal? And it is beyond me how someone can hate using a computer, be it PC with Windows or Linux or Mac. It might annoy or irritate, but hate? Isn’t that a tad immature? (Or am I being cocky and typical Mac now?)
How about a dash of sense of humour? You know, attacking The Macalope and Artie Strawman is really a little… well, those sites are clearly in it for the humorous take and Artie is also an irony on Mac zealotry. Well, here’s another which might upset a few Mac-zealots (oh yes, they do exists, but are a tiny minority these days):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2005931,00.html
PS: Charlie Brooker is a comedian:)
You do realize that “Artie Macstrawman” is a joke, right?
As in, “people who claim that there are Mac zealots who absolutely and fervently believe that the Mac is utterly impregnable against attack are employing a philosophical strawman”?
The name was coined by the Crazy Apple Rumors website, a satirical blog.
Fanboys of any ilk are bothersome, but they do not and have not ever made up the preponderance of any user base (well, except for maybe BeOS…j/k). One mustn’t travel far on the virtual highways to find an example of each type of fanboy.
So I take incredible exception to even “a decent chunk” of ANY user base. The problem is that most of the calm, reasonable users just don’t respond to these things let alone do it while flinging poo.
I use XP so I have access to Windows only technologies. I chose Mac OS X for what it allows me to do creatively (I and my team built the first Mac based render farm in ’98 and chose Mac because it was the only platform that meet our requirements). I use both to this day (and resent the hell out of lazy programmers who use broken tools so that their site only works on Windows. If I wanna use an Atari (and some still do) computer, as long as i have a compliant browser, i should be able to use the Internet. Either that or Microsoft should just buy the damn thing from DARPA and quit the pretense. And yes, some of this does rest on Microsoft’s shoulders for making non-standard tools. One word proves this…Java.)
The bottom line is that there is enough wanton greed and avarice at the foundation of each OS to justify building towers of criticism. Windows is surely no panacea. Mac OS X can be voracious as any OS out there. Unix/Linux always finds a way to provide the user with a complex for not being able with a Master’s in CompSci to accomplish with hundreds of lines of code, what a Windows or Mac user can accomplish with a single click. It goes on and on and on……
Best tool for the best job. Period.
I think Microsoft is entering it’s John Sculley days here by fragmenting it’s product line and it will hurt them. When the subcriptions hit the US from Latin America/Africa , the poop will hit the fan. And for all who doubt it, MS is on record as saying the kill switch IS in place and they will be “testing” subscriptions after a trial run in the Latin American markets this year. MS has made it clear that the subcription model is one they want to be the defacto model. Then again, econ was never a strong suit of the SMB crowd (no matter how much software depreciates, the MONEY paid in installments does so less slowly, making it more expensive each month. Crude explanation, but lacking the space…) so they will embrace it and anything subcription can be discounted, so Big Corp will embrace it and Windows users will by 2009 have a “computer bill” where the OS is either bundled with their internet or comes as a separate bill.
For me, that’s why I have an issue with Windows. I like it fine as a tool. Does some things well and other things crappy just like any other OS. However, the licensing/deployment is so wrong and this virtualization is but one facet of this.
Anyway, someone will misconstrue as a different variant of some kind of fanboyism,but for me it’s about parasitic economics which makes the greed of the Gordon Gecko 80′s seem like “a better time and place”.
Anyway, your take was two fold, 1) fanboyism of these individuals. Okay….not sure what to say about that. Post 4 Windows fanboy, 4 Unix fanboy and 4 Linux fanboy sites so as to attain a state of balance? I dunno. I do know that no user base is accurately represented by the fanboys. And 2) the virtualization issue. Well, technically, there is no reason the home version can’t be virtualized. That can’t be argued. Moreover, I’m sure AMD and Intel would LOVE to advertise all 3 OSes jammin hardcore math to prove they have slammin machines. So what you get is a bunch of flailing in the dark about Microsoft’s reasons for using the EULA to restrict use. If past experience is any guide, whatever the reason, it’ll cost.
don’t take this too seriously, but still…if a mac user says “i can’t get viruses”..how is he wrong? Worse, how is it arrogant? How many viruses or malware of ANY kind are in the wild since OS X 10.0? Careful now….that’s not that same as saying it’s invulnerable….of course every OS is vulnerable, but still, since 10.0 debuted…how many? in the wild….???
Correction:
“then it is not easy throwing oneself into the nearest ditch, throwing mental grenades back.”
should be
“then it is not easy NOT throwing oneself into the nearest ditch, throwing mental grenades back.”
ok… ok I get it.. Artie is fictional… Doesn’t change that Macalope and tech.blorge.com are both real sites…
And for those of you that still don’t get it.. the Apple License says that OS X can only be installed on Apple-Labeled Computers… So Apple did the same PC users… At least Mac users still have the bootcamp option.. PC users have no choice..
Also I’m not a Microsoft zealot by any means… I’ve attacked Microsoft in the past as well… but you Mac people are out of hand… And not everything you say positive labels you as a zealot… just your overbearing support of an OS that you don’t technically understand… That’s where the problem lies…
HTRegz, there are some flaws with your post.
Example: You say say that Microsoft’s EULA term is just the same as Apple’s. Now, Apple has their term in to make sure that they sell enough of their hardware. Where is Microsoft doing that?
You also say that those who need to run Windows on their Macs should have used Windows right away in one of the comments. If you ignore points like better user interface (this is a matter of taste, of course), better applications, security (never mind MoAB, in practical use it is less of a problem on a Mac than on a PC. Get over it) and so on, then you just might be right. I know you might see this as a long-winded way of calling you ignorant.
But finally: Do you have any idea who Artie MacStrawman is? You might want to read the post where he was invented: http://www.crazyapplerumors.com/?p=664
wait….i haven’t given my 20 page treatise on War and Peace…….
This is hilarious.
You’re quoting posts from the Artie McStrawman blog as fact, missing the utter irony of your own idiocy.
Mc Strawman, Straw Man… straw man argument… the mythical Mac user created by Security ‘experts’ and Windows ‘followers’…. geddit?
Clearly not. Hell, sitcom writers couldn’t dream up a character this stupid!
And speaking of irony….
Why is it that whenever anyone defends the Mac platform and OS X (usually with those irrelevant bit of info known in the real world as ‘facts’) they are jumped on and savagely ripped apart by 10-20 Windows users, who label the Mac user as a fanboy or a zealot.
All 20 of them.
All 20 Windows users who *must* prove the Mac guy wrong at all costs by banging on and on and on and on (usually with straw man arguments)
And they label *him* a zealot and a fanboy.
Almost as hilarious as watching a ‘Vulnerability and Exposure Research Team’ member quote Artie McStrawman.
I guess the word ‘Research’ was thrown into that title for looks, not because they actually did any.
Torsen has yet again given a great example of the “Mac Zealot” attitude… It’s ok that Apple is doing it because of this.. but it’s a completely different issue when Microsoft wants to do it..
“Do you guys have a phone tree for whenever OS X is mentioned???”
Of course we do. And it worked well for you… you probably never had this much web site traffic in your life.
Are you on crack?
And then there’s this. http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2007/02/microsofts_new.html
Compare and contrast.
Fascinating. I’m going through my post again and I’m just not finding what you say. Well, maybe I misunderstood what I wrote. I thought I wrote that the two things are inherently different, because of different motivations, and that saying they are identical is wrong. I did not intend to say that what Apple did was good (I don’t think it is). I guess I should pay more attention next time.
No, seriously…you’re QUOTING ARTIE McSTRAWMAN! Are you THAT irony-deprived?
Crack. It’s not just for breakfast any more.
If you decry Microsoft or defend apple, you’re clearly a mac zealot.
What you did was attempt to justify apple’s reasons but said that Microsoft had no reason to do the same thing… What’s good for the goose is good for the gander..
As for those of you who are constantly attacking me for a single mistake on my part (I’m sorry… it’s hard to tell the difference between sites like Macalope and tech.blorge.net and daring fireball and a fictitious site like Artie.. I’ll apologize for that) but you seem to be ignoring the actual points that are made in this post… about the EULA for example.
If you look at this link it it wouild appear that home editions are fine to run in v’tion, but the ‘higher end’ versions have the restriction.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/104107/vista-home-virtualisation-is-a-technology-tax-parallels.html
“ok… ok I get it.. Artie is fictional… Doesn’t change that Macalope and tech.blorge.com are both real sites…”
No, it doesn’t change that fact. But what does that fact have to do with your failure to detect satire? Has the Macalope claimed anything like the Artie quote? Has tech.blorge.com? Why mention those when your gullibility is exposed?
“That sums up the thinking of most OS X users… a flawed sort of logic…”
It’s not a “sort of logic” at all, but that aside… for you, a ridiculously over-the-top satire is a summary of most Mac users’ thinking? Time to rethink that whole section of your post, not pick nits.
There is a slight difference between Apple saying “You can only use our OS on our machines” and MS saying “You have to buy our more expensive versions to be able to use them with stuff that we don’t even sell”. It would be like Apple saying “Well you can get OS X for $129 for Macs but in order to use it on a PC you have to pay $529″.
Have you considered that the reason the Mac users are only complaining about this in terms of the Mac is because they are Mac users? I mean, I know this affects all computer users on any platform, but do I personally care a huge amount about Linux and Windows having the same restrictions? Not particularly because I’m not going to virtualise Vista on Linux or Windows.
As for the argument that general users don’t need virtualisation and it’s more the realm of businesses, wasn’t that the same sort of argument used for PCs in the 70s? Why would a home user need a computer?
What if they are right, HTRegz?
What if the solution to reoccurring Microsoft Windows problems is a change to Mac OSX? If you cannot consider this possibility, then you reveal your bigotry. If the Mac advocates are right, then their observations are simple honesty, rather than smug arrogance.
Is Vista an improvement over Windows XP? Yes, it is. But, is it an improvement over Apple’s current OS, Tiger 10.4? I don’t believe so. Apple’s new operating system, Leopard 10.5, will be out in two to four months. How will Vista compare to it? Not well.
Apple is improving its operating system at a rate that Microsoft cannot compete with. Why? Because Apple has done the ground work by building on Next’s Openstep; it has laid a firm foundation on which it can rapidly build improvements.
Is Vista a completely modern operating system? No. Microsoft tried that with Longhorn for four years and failed. Vista is Microsoft’s fallback position. What Microsoft did in Vista was to make an upgrade to Windows XP. That is putting “lipstick on a pig.” That is, it makes pretty the outside of XP, but underneath, Vista has the same structural flaws.
Microsoft still has to do what Apple did starting in 1997 with Openstep; it has to create a modular operating system. An integrated OS with over 100 million lines of code is just too unwieldy. There are too many inter-dependencies.
Microsoft Windows’ foundations are as insecure as was MacOS 7 through 9. If Microsoft FUD was right about MacOS 7 through 9, then Apple’s FUD is correct about Vista.
But, can you concede that possibility, HTRegz?
Why do you have trouble distinguishing between Macalope and Daring Fireball?
Satire / humour and commentary.
You a clearly as big an idiot and bigot as you accuse Mac zealots of being.
Idiots like you are an insult to the industry, regardless of your OS of preference. Shame on you.